About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 1. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. Vision House Of Ideas 11. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Loki God Of Stories 17. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. I really can't be asked to go. 3. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. It is embedded. 8 C. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. Also, Spectre is supposed to be the avatar of the Presence an gets owned often. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Wiki Points. 7 K. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. In other words, every individual hero, villain, plant, animal and atom is just a part of TOAA, but TOAA is also more than the summation of all of these. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. s. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Ahl God Of Superheroes. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. TOAA is omnipotent. Forum Posts. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Like this for instance in Secret Wars II beyonder was beyond the marvel multiverse, multiverse then later there was suddenly a omniverse all governed by TOAA, TOAA began with a multiverse and suddenly got a omniverse to play with, but do you see him get retcon no, but his power just grow exponentially, the same with LT in Secret Wars II he was. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. -Everything in bleach. ". DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. . #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. . Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). 10 years ago. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. Then things get more murky. Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. Pre-retcon Beyonder. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. TOAA isn't omnipotent. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. ". ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). @professorrespect said: @chris2kzombieki said: Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. 2. He was basically like if God tried to create a champion capable of doing just about everything that. 1. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. PR Beyonder vs TOAA would be a stalemate. The power of love is said to be a threat. This could also be used as. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. Hykuu. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. s. 493. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. 3. #4. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. . This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. Both have the same powers. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. . The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. His main motivation was to learn more about good and evil. ago. 13. ". Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). Yasin Rap said: The one above all is not included, but pre-retcon Beyonder & the whole Beyonder race is. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Oh boy, Michael wins. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. 5 T. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Manhattan's league. deactivated-629d3023b5b49. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. given TOAA's omnipotence is dependent on certain factors he's not a true omnipotent and doesn't have better feats than pre recton Beyonder, so being toaa or not wouldn't matterIs the Beyonder's anti-feat considered and do we take "omnipotence" at face value? Is Above All Others considered to be the same character as The One Above All, giving this entity an anti-feat? For the most part, I'd say TOAA is even beyond The Pre-Retcon Beyonder, but I can see arguments for why this isn't the case, or arguments for them. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. #2 Edited By Kataklysmo. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Reviews: 0. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. What they dream up with goes. 2. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. Claymore1998. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Not once. fangirl101. Beyonder Doom 14. You can't be above him. the spectre with the presence backing. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. Jan 1, 2019. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. Marvel vs DC. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Preparation. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to. Minor nitpick. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. 4 years ago. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. Job Burke 4. Scp 3812 vs Anos vs Featherine vs Hajun vs Yogiri vs Golden Wondie vs Superboy Prime vs pre retcon Beyonder vs Sotha Sil. -5. Otherwise he gets stopped by the big guns of Marvel who are multiversal++ like TOAA, The Beyonders (the race), The Fulcrum, Tiamut, Protege, PR Beyonder, PR Molecule Man, Scathan, The Living Tribunal, Heart of the Universe Thanos, etc. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. So, he could absolutely manipulate the hell out of Beyonder. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. If this is The Presence with GEB inside him,his fight against TOAA will be stalemate and Beyonder is beyond anyone (besides TOAA and fully power The Presence),even The Primal Monitor. 14 years ago. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 0 coins. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs Beatrice both at 1A who will win´╝ƒ. The Beyonder in. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. Juntai. No one is that powerful. Same goes for Jean's human parents. And that excuse about "They would be powerless in MU" is false because they embody God's Power and Will. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. No one is that powerful. . I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. . s. #3 CF12793. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. #1. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Advertisement Coins. Follow 331. idk how he could lose to anyone except for TOAA if he's not TOAA himself. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. login to vote. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. [12] He is also. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. " I am the One Above All. Azathoth solos. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. That's it. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. Follow 16580. Yamcha will use his 0,00000000000001% power and Speed Equalized for this don't become a Spite Thread. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. Not even beyonder is that powerful. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Manhattan's league. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. ago. Follow 4160. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. One Universe of a difference. In fact, Jack Kirby stated that The One Above All. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. And he loses. Beyonder vs The Celestials. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Neither of. -. Far from Beyonder levels. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. He is just beyond. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. and it can be said so is spectre. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. There would be no fight. . Beyonder: Sonuva. 8 years ago. 11 years ago. Yeah All Mighty Wins. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember. He is True Omnipotent, he was TOAA before TOAA was introduuced. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. 115 26. Toba Hulk 7. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. I dunno. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. . However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. #7. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. I see him as toaa's equal. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. Oldfather 18. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. . Victory by permanent death or erasure. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. 0. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. So I might be missing something. Agreed. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Manhattan. Follow 1627. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Forum Posts. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. The only. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. bluepride1234. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. 1%. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. the difference between TOAA and Beyonder is that TOAA embodies Marvel writers. Nope. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. s. The Classic Beyonder. 2. He's the most powerful. It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race. 1. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. #12 Edited By Montaq. Beyonder is beyond the universe. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. " im sick of Beyonder. 2. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. 3 The Beyonder. Spectre probably. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Forum Posts. I think the idea. 8 years ago. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. Khorne. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. It's impossible that 2 truly omnipotents co-exist in the same universe. TOAA's weakest Avatar was defeated and absorbed by a version of Thanos in his Astral Regulator form while the Beyonder was retconned for being too powerful. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. They were both. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. 0. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. Hajun via feats and implied power. Follow 1. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, along with all other supreme deities in comics (Presence, TOAA, MoM, Thanos with HOTU, etc. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. Beyonder curbstomp slaughterhouse. Neither of. TOAA remains TOAA and this object will still not. Both are in character. TOAA have failed. . Comics . Hajun, if not Beyonder. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. Beyonder trivially. The Living Tribunal is absolutely more powerful than Beyonder and would be able to defeat him. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Jan 29, 2017. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. 0. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. That being said, I'm fairly certain that Thanos and the Beyonder take this.