Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. Forum Posts. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. Aug 9, 2016. Pre-retcon has been stated to be millions of time stronger than all the power in the multiverse combined. it would be mostly stalemate. User Lists: 0We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Battles. For now pre retcon beyonder has the advantage imo. However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. A Time Lords) from the. synnar the. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. PR Beyonder can see the future, he can manipulate reality itself, he was responsible for bringing all of the heroes and villains to. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. Morals are on for Shuma. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. Text-only Version:. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. Both sides are in character but determined to win. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. 9 K. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. well omnipotent. . Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. 1. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. #11. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Who is a better god like figure?Both Beyonders wins. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. Beyonder uses his prep to observe Doom preparing,. R2: God stomps. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. ". So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. The events of. Additional comment actions. Team 2 = Fusion mode. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should not even consider Demonbane. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. destinyman75. . He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. 2. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. Yglorba • 3 yr. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. He's about cause and effect and. COIE Anti Monitor. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself. . 5 years ago. 0. 0. Just like the sky seems infinite to us puny humans, the pre retcon beyonder s power seems unlimited to puny marvel multiverse. Reviews: 0. #1 Edited By NinjaWarrior268. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. Once a lowly lab technician desperate for recognition, Owen Reece miraculously became one of the most powerful beings in existence, the Molecule Man, while fixing an atomic device. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. #2. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. There are Infinite, far less. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. I would take the race of the Beyonders against the race. You need to be logged in to post comments. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Shinra destroys their narrative 68%. The Beyonder “realizes” something. R1 - Cosmic Cube post retcon Beyonder faces the 5, he can call for his Molecule man version if hes stomped. The Forger is much stronger than Barbatos. Beyonder erases him from existence. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. COIE Monitors cited as. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. No Prep. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. 17 Ginriu. Beyonder Spider-Man vs Naruto, MHA, Bleach, One Piece, Magi, Umineko, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya verses. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. First is the. 2. Post-Retcon Beyonder: A cosmic cube being that had split in half, the other side being Molecule Man. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Beyonder S T O M P S. Spectre. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Mxy is done. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Win by death, KO, incapIf we argue that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is not in his initial state in this match-up, then he might actually get defeated by the Scarlet King. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. • 1 year ago. The One Above All. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). No prep. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. Kuuko273. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. Prepare for. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Real title: The beyonder vs the living tribunal. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. . Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Inbetweener. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. 2. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. 2. Living Tribunal >>>>>Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>>White crown phoenix "and yet Phoenix Rachel shocked the Beyonder. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. ago. Beyonder stomps. Lucifer is not omnipotent. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. His accident poked a pinhole into the universe of a child Beyonder, and the energy from that universe empowered him. This is the biggest mismatch. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. #20. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Forum Posts. who universe. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Anti-Monitor's probably on the scale of pre-retcon Molecule Man, a foe that Beyonder was able to beat. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. This is the biggest mismatch. Locked post. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. Follow 23035. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Which effectively means that they give Beyonder their sunday. -5. 7. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Motivation: Both want to kill each other. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. Fighting place: Dr. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. 0. so the 1st retcon beyonder. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 0. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Follow 22700. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. It's Shown Here that both beyonder and GoS Loki have Immersion, from traveling between stories/realities from the first scan, second scan show Fictional Interaction,. #1. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. #5. Followers. The only. Period. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Reply. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. The original Beyonder was considered to be the most powerful being in the multiverse, having power surpassing Cosmic Entities, such as the Living Tribunal and Eternity. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. (Please add any important quotations that may be missing, ensuring to cite the original source. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Galactus is fodder here. So I might be missing something. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. -Protege copied Beyonder powers. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. Lucifer is a different beast. Jul 30, 2018. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. O. Thanos Hotu and Great Evil Beast 49%. No prep and no knowledge. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. MJJ's powers keep increasing exponentialy. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. New comments cannot be posted. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. The Beyonder is bloodlusted. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. pre retcon beyonder: can destroy an infinite-d multiverse and exists independently of it. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Post-retcon is still strong, there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still much much weaker than his Pre-retcon counterpart:. Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. If not, Team 2 with some trouble, since PRB<HOTU. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. Originally posted by. Definitely Beyonder. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Ima go with byonder. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. 14 years ago. . . . Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. I will need to have cited evidence for. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. Idk its hard to say because the beyonders who destroyed eternity infinity and all the cosmic entities, it took time for them to do that but the Marquis of Death waved his hand and they all died. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. 7 K. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. 3. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. He wins. Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. The closest you get I think is Guenpool and she just has basic fourth wall. Share Sort by: Best. . How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Forum Posts. Somebody can ask the following members to give input here though. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. Random encounter. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. 1 year ago. Followers. Wiki Points. bigbran. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. cpg357 • 4 yr. User Lists: 20 Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. Wiki Points. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. "No other force or power in existence could. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. He has no concept of death he's toyed with the entire celestials even living tribunal was wetting himself. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Wiki Points.