. So at the minimum that's one primarch with a similar level of accomplishment as Guilliman before being found again by the Emperor. Guilliman has very different goals for the Imperium than the Emperor did. As you say, Guilliman does spend a lot of time in the Heresy on Imperium. That is not to say that the Emperor wasn't always strong. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. ‘Guilliman is a misguided fool at best, and a traitorous dog at worst. As any us would be, Guilliman is rightly upset having been lied to and feels used and betrayed. Sanguinius dying is as important to the creation of the modern Imperium as Uncle Ben dying is to the creation of Spider-Man. Sanguinius, What transpires on the surface of the Throneworld, I cannot say. The former worlds of the Realm of Ultramar didn't want to have to give up their independence to Guilliman after 10,000 years of not having him. We see this in Devastation of Baal, where they vote Dante leader of their campaign -- but not uniformly. My theory is that Guilliman knew he and his siblings wouldn't be always around to guide the Legions. . "Selfishness" is not just the only Eldar trait. Guilliman had seen the look on the priest’s face too many times on other holy men. It's the throwdown you've been waiting for, as Guilliman and Mortarion work out ten thousand years of pent-up resentment in a clash for the ages. Populations. Monarchia, then was both lesson and warning. Guilliman recoiled from the adoration shining from. ‘Divine One,’ he said, before he knew he was going to say anything at all. There was great warpcraft in the weapon. Guilliman absolutely did know suffering when his Adoptive Father King Konor was murdered in a Coup. No random Rogue trader is gonna talk with. The sun. You cannot replace him. That is why they talk so freely. The secudus was the pinnacle of that. One of the most beloved figures in the Imperium, Sanguinius was among both the most noble and mightiest Primarchs. Option 2: After 10k years of being tortured by a glorified toilet seat, He's got no time to lose on being nice and shit and Guilliman thinking "He must've always. Khan: would want to reform his legion and operate as a voidborne force. ‘No axe can ever be too sharp,’ the man replied without looking up. Guilliman turns, finds another, punches his giant fist through the legionary’s torso, and pulls it out, ripping out his backbone. 1. And if the High Lords wish to deny the authority of the Regent, know that they deny themselves to legitimacy of leadership of the Imperium, for they succeeded the Council of Terra on orders of Guilliman's reformation of the Imperium. 53 votes, 36 comments. He dropped any pretence of humanity, and Guilliman is troubled by the idea the Emperor welcomed him more like a prisoner welcoming a tool able to help him break off a prison instead of greeting him like the. One might say that the promise of another loyal Primarch existing next to Guilliman would be enough, but I argue differently. He appeared dead. I believe most Space Marines have some clemency on the issue, but I have had little opportunity to engage any in conversation. 000) the User's Guide for Roboute Guilliman; english isn't my first language; Character Study; Summary. Sanguinius or The Great Angel was the Primarch of the Blood Angels Space Marine Chapter. As any us would be, Guilliman is rightly upset having been lied to and feels used and betrayed. Context: Guilliman is fighting an army of daemons and has an epiphany about the nature of daemons, the warp and their connection to mankind's minds. The Emperor will tolerate the dreams of his sons–but only insofar as they don't interfere with their actual jobs. ’ ‘I am not holy,’ said Guilliman. A tankard is whipped at supersonic speeds, smashing the Silent King's head off his shoulders. Hes an example of the failing hero (well relatively) and how even the greatest of us cannot withstand the tide of time and stop the fall of Empire. Essentially, he's basically in control of the entire Imperium. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. Guilliman still calls himself Guilliman and is power is white rather than the gold that you see from the Emperor. Because it never happens. They did get extra attention from the Emperor and were his chosen Legion until they were given to The Lion. I think its because the Emperor knows that Guilliman is the only one out of his brothers capable of holding them all together, appealing to the humanity in them, and ultimately stabilizing and dare I say, advancing the imperium. King Konor was my father. 7. Both the Emperor and Malcador hint that Guilliman was their back up and they intended for him to take over should the Emperor be lost. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. Guilliman was clearly favored, Perturabo would have resented that about as much as he resented Dorn's treatment. ‘But we shall see the truth of it in a second, Sister. But He spoke. Like, it's nice and all to just say, "don't fuck with my boys because I said so," but Dark Imperium is at pains to mention that the Ecclesiarchy are wary of Guilliman's Imperial Truther sensibilities. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. To be a regent of a monarchs is to have the exact authority rights and respect of that monarch in his or her stead. Glaring whiteness blazed from the crevasses. ’ ‘Guilliman. The God-Emperor has even rallied enough strength to burn the gardens of Nurgle, a. A laugh. Guy Haley. What did the Emperor say to Guilliman? Guilliman should know his place, be the good soldier he is, and fall in line. I want Guilluman to name the Lion the Warmaster of Imperium Nihilus and send him off into the darkness with a massive fleet to absolutely fuck shit up. He brought Guilliman back to life from the vastly aged husk that Nurgle’s Godblight did to him. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. It was always the Lion doing stuff Guilliman hated. And I think it would really make a great literary arc that Guilliman the ultra rational, by the book Imperial regent is murdered by a mob of religious zealots. Moreover, Guilliman says he fights for what the Emperor believed in, past tense, not present. They were things. ‘No matter,’ said Guilliman. 3 views 4 minutes ago. Despite the Emperor absolutely detesting Roboute Guilliman and wanting his life support cut off, in the Gathering Storm event of 40k canon, Guilliman finally awakens and has the exact same horrified and furious reaction to the bottomless cruelty and stupidity of the 41st millennium Imperium as the text-to-speech Emperor did. As soon as it turns sunshine and rainbows it's not 40k anymore. ’. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to have my back. As a politicians he was ready to fight for reforms that he thought was right, despite the fact that they would also hurt him and in the end he was killed for doing what was right. Euten had told Guilliman that street hawkers and vendors were doing a brisk trade in cheap icons and tin badges displaying the iconography of the First Legion. That's the 9 loyal Primarchs, all had reasons for staying loyal. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman is the lone Primarch in charge of Ultramar, blocked from Terra by the Ruinstorm. When Guilliman meets the Lion again in 40k. That he accepted, though it was a burden to be so. " Guilliman mentions that Emps had lost his subtlety and no longer seemed to be human at all. Cypher drops off the Lion Sword. I find this hard to believe due to a couple of reasons below. There was no hope in this world. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. ‘He created me, but I assure you, priest, that He was no father. Two legends meet each other. Business, Economics, and Finance. iirc Guilliuman hunted Fulgrim for two reasons. He did not hear them at all. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. Guilliman is base around rome and if you look at what romans use to wear, robes and lots of robes. The Emperor was never a god, denied He was a god and has been wrongly elevated by men who see power and mistake it for divinity. I wonder if, when the time is right, Emperor would ‘rejuvenate’ Lion in a similar fashion. The brother-on-brother battles of the Heresy had once seemed the height of madness to. The Emperor did not love His sons. "Listen to me, Roboute," the light ghost hisses. Guilliman reminded Helbrecht of the oaths he had sworn, and how his duty as High Marshal was to all the Emperor's realm rather than just being to his own personal vendettas. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. It roared with fire as Guilliman swung it, seeming to flare brighter as it sensed the presence of the daemon caged inside the machine. Then you have wise and morally good Khan and Guilliman. ‘Guilliman. I don't know if any others ruled over an interstellar empire besides Dorn and Guilliman, but all of them accomplished something impressive with where they ended up. Better that we had all burned in the fire of Horus' ambition than lived to see this. ’ ‘Liar. Still new to the lore, sorry for my ignorance. ” “No, it is too important… even if what you say is true, I cannot return to Caliban yet. ‘Father,’ he said, and when he had said that word, it was the last time he had meant it. Well, that is why, among other things, both the Custodes and Space Wolves don't trust him. He did not hear them at all. Guilliman is the Emperor’s favorite son. To save his brothers, to kill them. That's why people see Him differently and interpret His words in different ways (like how the Custodes heard Him referring to the Primarchs as numbers, Land sees him as the Omnissiah, etc. After venting his initial fury on the Traitor forces arrayed against them, Guilliman took command of the planet’s defence and drove back the invaders with all the strategic brilliance for which he was renowned. Yet Guilliman was always the primarch rooted in reality most, attached. The line of Custodian guards parted at the center to allow him to stand before the Lion. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. Said faith deifies the Emperor and, therefore, Guilliman himself, something which gets him pretty fired up. He was before a resplendent Emperor for all the ages. ‘The Emperor Himself,’ said Valeneez deferentially. ‘That is not the question you came to ask, but I will answer it anyway. ‘We were there together. He would just do that, not complain. Guilliman, one presumes, heeded the warning. And RG is a. They were things. Which makes sense, given his particular talents and strengths. Eventually, Mortarian and the Death Guard were summoned back to the Scourge Stars, which had come under threat from the War in the Rift. The rest of 30k still feels pretty grim. The Silent King looms over him, ready to stab him through the heart. The seeming fact that Dorn held this position in Guilliman's stead until essentially the moment Guilliman arrived, at which point Dorn immediately abdicated and Guilliman took up the role, indicates to me that there was a pre-existing understanding of some sort that Guilliman would take the overall reigns in the Emperor's prolonged absence. The source of their conflicts was never Guilliman doing something the Lion hated. Despite the Emperor absolutely detesting Roboute Guilliman and wanting his life support cut off, in the Gathering Storm event of 40k canon, Guilliman finally awakens and has the exact same horrified and furious reaction to the bottomless cruelty and stupidity of the 41st millennium Imperium as the text-to-speech Emperor did. ‘The Emperor denied His own divinity,’ said Guilliman flatly. Szarekh looks at the gouge Guilliman cuts in his arm/chest, looks at his face, and just goes, "Interesting. It's to show us how far Abby's come and that he's a real threat. ’. His words in that matter would be ignored every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy would ignore him telling them to stop worshipping the Emperor or some suchIn the Regent's Shadow we see Guilliman keeps an obsidian statue bust of Sanguinius in his bedroom, so he definitely misses him quite a bit. Emperor meeting with Imperator Guilliman of Ultramar Empire together with President Angron of Nurceria would be hilarious. Meanwhile, the worlds that the Word Bearers were bringing in to the fold of the Imperium were brought in with minimal bloodshed, but it often took them decades to bring a single planet or system in. It would more likely just re-form in the warp. genteel_wherewithal • 4 yr. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. There is a reason why the emperor wanted him to come back first before the lion or any of his other brothers. brother battle of Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus, the father/son fight of the Emperor and Horus, or the more recent clashes between Abbadon and seemingly. Then Guilliman shows up at the end, with more, fresh, men, a sizable fleet, and a brand new bible book for everyone to conform too. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its worlds. It is unknown to any but Guilliman whether or not Guilliman actually had any communication with his father during his time in the throne room, but I say it didn't happen, maybe it was all in his head, and here is why: It is said that Lion El'Johnson, mortally wounded during his fight with Luther, was taken in secret by the Watchers in the Dark. Think about it, Guilliman was the only primarch whose location was known to the Imperium. The Eldar, back before the Fall, were slavers. Guilliman turned to look at Prayto. Option 1: The Emperor told Guilliman what he needed to hear to steel himself for the grim, dark future of the 42nd Millenium - there's no place for softness. Magos Lehm, next one. The Emperor is playing 4D warp-chess against invincible odds in a situation where rules do not even matter. They need training in proper language, education, civics, science, etc. - Dark Imperium. Dan Abnett put in some excellent irony and foreshadowing in Guilliman's musing in the Unremembered Empire. But I have reasons to believe otherwise. With that he forced Frater Mathieu to accept Guilliman's offer of militant-apostolic office. Guilliman, during the Heresy, chose to keep his forces close to his own realm and even pushed two other primarchs to do the same, writing off the rest of the Imperium and the Emperor. ’ Guilliman looked at the girl’s mutilated body. 1. IndySoccerFan25 • 6 yr. Rogal Dorn and Diocletian (the resident Custodes) began to butt head over the issue, so Kaeria the Silent Sister have some thing to say (sign). The Emperor did not love His sons. Unlike the Emperor who left them to die by teleporting Angron away. Achallor had a sudden, chilling insight into why Valoris had chosen Colquan. ’ ‘Disappointment. When Guilliman went into stasis he was objectively a loyal servant of the Emperor. ‘I did not say I disapproved, Yassilli. Vulkan disapears at some point befoee Guilliman os wounded and but later reappears over a 1000 years later. Guilliman cannot merely say that he fights for the Emperor or in His name. ‘Yes,’ Mathieu smiled serenely. ago. At least the "blessing by the militant-apostolic" must be jarring for him. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its. He did not hear them at all. Or did you take it off His dead knee? I suppose it matters not. Felix felt the sting of criticism. In current 40k Guilliman recognized he had been too much of a yes-man to the Emperor, back during the Great Crusade he really didn't question him and tried to please him, even in detriment to certain principles he hold dear, this is reflected on how he never read the Lectitio Divinitatus as a way to show his support for the Emperor's Imperial. ‘He may ambush you,’ said Andros. When Guilliman gives and order you have to imagine the fucking god Emperor himself got up of his throne and came and told you the same. Either that or Lukas kills Lucius, takes over his body, and the next person to kill Lucius-in-Lukas's-body triggers the stasis grenade and Lucius is stuck there. Business, Economics, and Finance. Inquisition hides the body and kills any witnesses. One more theory is that the Emperor was setting up for a civil war between the Primarchs as Malcador discussed in Malcador - The First Lord of the Imperium. He was there to watch the primarch. And while Abbadon handily wins the duel and the battle, ruining the Imperial world and getting his claws on whatever he needed there, Guilliman's strategy and forces will eventually win the war, and renew the world. ‘Roboute Guilliman. So Guilliman believes it is not the Emperor that creates Saints, but that their intense belief in the Emperor manifests latent psyker abilities. . someone in canon really needs to tell Guilliman to get the hell off his high horse. Context: Shortly after the start of the Indomitus-Crusade, an increasing number of Psykers among the. Guilliman dies, but the Emperor was using him as a Trojan horse to channel his power, he revives Guilliman now that he’s in the Garden. They were things. ago. To my knowledge, the Lion hasn't had a lot of experience with politics. A lot of people believe that the Lion will start a civil war against Guilliman after waking up and seeing what the Imperium has become. Mighty heroes battle for the right to rule the galaxy. Upon looking at all the available primarch weapons though, his seems to be the weakest one out of all of them. Well, with less. Then the hateful rumours from Isstvan, of treacherous masquerade and false colours, were true. The emperor only gives a shit about him because he’s all that’s left. Some daemons can't be killed. With the Emperor (‘daddy’ to Guilliman, one assumes) out of commission on the Golden Throne, and with the Imperium in disarray and having fallen into ignorance, superstition and totalitarianism, it seems like Guilliman might well be tempted to hit the reset button and try to recreate the Imperium as he believes the Emperor originally. In addition of being tasked of punishing the Thousand Sons, it is (not that) subtly hinted that the Space Wolves were tasked to eliminate the Second and Eleventh Legions. It was the look of the blindly faithful. Drach'nyen may be one of these. I want to hear you say it. Buffeted by the full might of the Emperor's will unclothed in flesh, a cloak had been ripped from Guilliman's eyes. Curze has the truth of it, but I was blinded by my anger. By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. "The Emperor loves us all' lied Roboute Guilliman My last Dark Imperium excerpt was received very well so I wanted to share my other favorite excerpt. These additions are joined by a very special episode of Battle Report, which recreates the colossal clash between brothers Roboute Guilliman and Mortarion in a narrative play game. Chapters are not beholden to anyone. Guilliman had no illusions. So communication and Travel was more unreliable and harder than normal. Was Roboute Guilliman the chosen heir to the Emperor?General Spoiler Warning to begin as the events. He doesn't have the time to focus on the. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. He used Cypher to his own ends too. ‘I face you at last,. But here he was, alive and breathing. Sure, Guilliman is likely to turn the leadership of Nurceria to newly educated, non-violent ex-slaves while offering Angron a place if he want to deal with bureaucracy. '. ). The Siege of Terra was over, but there were the Scouring which the loyal sons would give chase to the. injures Nurgle himself implicaton is that while this was a massive, MASSIVE, strain on the Emperor's power, he WILL do it againThis quote is from chapter 3 "Rise of the Primarch" of the 2010 sourcebook The Gathering Storm III: Rise of the Primarch (WHF04, published by Fantasy Flight Games). So inhumanly neutral. May 10 2022 Advertisement Let’s talk about how Guiliman plans to destroy his father’s Imperium. Guilliman is a supreme statesman, he's also able to do the same thing. To destroy what they made. Guilliman seems to have been more flexible in his execution, allowing commanders of forces to dictate new tactics as necessary while he did the same with the forces he commanded directly. Option 1: The Emperor told Guilliman what he needed to hear to steel himself for the grim, dark future of the 42nd Millenium - there's no place for softness. It's possible the Emperor could destroy it but the circumstances would have to allow it. Mathieu the priest doesn't very much like that but cannot do anything about it because she's a close friend and subordinate to Guilliman. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. He knows Cypher is not freeing him out of the kindness of his heart but is using Guilliman to his own ends. You cannot give up on one without giving up on the other. The Custodians' captain-general gave it to him; Guilliman did not begrudge the priest his awe. The Emperor appreciates that and it’s why he is so favored, along with his pretty independent action, which probably screws with the Lion’s head to no end. Why did the Emperor set up basically tyrannical government. By breaking the legion Guilliman wanted to send a message to the other traitor legions that their best could be broken. The chance of them betraying now was very, very low. CryptoYou say that, but he goes out of his way to protect Guilliman, both in 30k and after Guilliman’s revival. In the wiki, this is described quite briefly: Guilliman was left standing alone before the ornate doorway, dwarfed by its immensity. Life_South_907 Dark Angels • 1 yr. While guilliman learns from mistakes and gradually become better, horus is impossibly good. If He were alive. ‘It appears you do, my lord,’ said Prayto quietly, ‘if you are one of the sons of mankind’s Emperor. You may recall that we teased this battle in the run-up to the launch of Warhammer+ when we took a peek behind the scenes to discover how the Garden of Iax. The Emperor’s light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally – finally – Guilliman had seen it as a whole. Based on the available information, the Emperor became stronger after his trip to Molech from first hand sources such as Alivia Sureka. Put simply: Guilliman does not believe in cultural relativism. ‘He is not a god,’ said Guilliman out loud. 10. ago. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. First, when Guilliman was wounded by Fulgrim, Emperor literally pulls Guilliman out of the Warp, keeping him alive long enough to be put into stasis. After some time, the boy receives visions of the future, one. In the new lore the Emperor didn't consider the Primarchs his sons but rather tools to be used and discarded. ’ Silence. Come on now. ’ ‘For the Emperor,’ Colquan responded. Didnt Guilliman say something along the lines of that the Emperors humanity is gone? And now hes just simply cold logical and uncaring. Guilliman and Sanguinius are THE most reasonable Primarchs, the Lion was butthurt and acted like a. What horrors you have endured, I cannot imagine. ‘Confess, preacher,’ said Guilliman. ‘He is not a god,’ said Guilliman out loud. What hurt most deeply was what went unsaid. ago. King Konor was my father. Sectors are fairly large though. He heard all these at once. Context: After a mean fight with the Night Lords and Konrad, Guilliman and the Lion are teleported to Sotha thanks to Dantioch activating the Pharos. He kinda goes back and forth on it, he's mad because he feels the Emperor looks at him as a tool only to be used to achieve his own ends. After Roboute Guilliman was resurrected in the closing days of the 41st Millennium, Mortarion sensed his brother's rebirth. The flames on the Emperor’s Sword flared. Ultramar. So let’s say the Lion wakes up and comes back to join the fight on the Imperial side. Thus spoke Roboute Guilliman in 41K. When the blade had been presented to Guilliman by the captain-general of the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor’s fall, it had somehow fitted his primarch’s stature. After venting his initial fury on the Traitor forces arrayed against them, Guilliman took command of the planet’s defence and drove back the invaders with all the strategic brilliance for which he was renowned. A second later the phone started to ring again, prompting Khan to answer again. You cannot give up on one without giving up on the other. Such they had the best toys, deployed all the tactics from just about every legion, had special training so they didn't rely on techmarines/mars, and many of the original Terrans had psychic wards placed on them by Big E himself, making. An Emperor who can still speak clearly and say something like "you will assume this title and do these tasks" is not an Emperor that Guilliman would renounce. Roboute and the Emperor. the most normal and pragmatic of the loyalists, next to Roboute, and would probably be the quickest to understand what Guilliman did. In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness in a. Not to mention that even if the predictable happens (Guilliman wins), if done right, both could look badass. The building whoop of powerful weapons charging rang out across the heavens. One might say that the promise of another loyal Primarch existing next to Guilliman would be enough, but I argue differently. ‘Guilliman. I think this is a cool scene because you have a human Imperial arguing against the Emperor being a God which is very rare imo. Only to discover Big E doesn't love him and only views him as a tool, that's devastating enough but imagine having to lie to the Imperium that. Thanks to MANSCAPED for sponsoring today's video! Get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping with my promo code "MAJORKILL" at meets the Emperor in 40k and is shocked when he understands that his "father" doesn't give two shits about his "son" returning. There are a multitude of reasons. But now? Guilliman finally gained his composure. Nurgle's garden is incinerated. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. Saying the exact same thing in 40k is heresy of the highest order because in 40k the Emperor is a god and is intrinsic to the Imperium he rules. Guilliman looked to the book. They withdrew from Iax under the cover of a virus bomb and the forces of. He set up the Word Bearers to want to go after the Ultramarines. To nobody's surprise Imperium is not very good with timekeeping and preserving true history. Right now Chaos has three wayward brothers, and Guilliman could use some help. After some time in the sanctum imperalis Roboute comes out and only says that he had "received all the. Guilliman may not be willing to accept that without proof, but that's as much for his own sake as anything else. "You seriously need to get laid but not even a rock would do it with you. The Emperor of the East Roman Empire who even though he tried could not restore the West. When the Emperor appears to Magnus during the Siege, He projects into Magnus’ mind as a glowing sun-god and they burn through the warp together, moving through billions of years in moments. Guilliman's return sparked Mortarion's interest in material affairs once more, and for the first time in 10,000 years he decided to lead the whole of the Death Guard in a renewed campaign. Guilliman seems to be adopting many of the mannerisms of Julius Caesar though. ‘He was also. I think there's a difference between channeling into a mind and making something's warp presence of your own image. Roboute and the Emperor. Horus was a war MASTER as it has been told several times in books. Your quote appears to be verbatim from the source (p. This is the first time in 9000 years that someone with working legs has actually outranked an Inquisitor Lord. Dante is sick but has been leading a chapter only, 1000 marines give or take. At these rumoured stats, he'll be using the sword against most targets since he'll have 14 attacks and wound T4 on a 2 plus at D2. He's out for smokes, he'll be right back. ’ With the telling quote, Guilliman doesn't know if the Emperor is a god now or not but if he is, he isn't worth worshiping. He kinda goes back and forth on it, he's mad because he feels the Emperor looks at him as a tool only to be used to achieve his own ends. Yet all of them loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium to the core, and so also to each other. Guilliman had no illusions. There's a reason that famous painting of the Emperor confronting Horus on the Vengeful Spirit has three central figures, and the body of Sanguinius is one of them. Guilliman was already a governor of 500 world by the time Ullanor rolled around. Because Guilliman simply toed the line. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp". Secondly, when Mortarion almost kills Guilliman, Emperor literally possesses a girl to scatter the Daemons and save his only remaining loyal son. ’ ‘I am not holy,’ said Guilliman. ”Roboute Guilliman never forgot what caused his adoptive father's death. When the Emperor appears to Magnus during the Siege, He projects into Magnus’ mind as a glowing sun-god and they burn through the warp together, moving through billions of years in moments. There's other ways to give a daemon a true death as well. CryptoThe Consul said that people needed the light of hope in this dark hour, a shining example of victory to renew their faith not just in the Emperor, but in Guilliman reborn. ‘And to you, son of the Emperor of Mankind, my ally, and my enemy. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. Anybody who says anything other than "it could potentially go either way" is being silly. Alerting guilliman, although seeming good at face value, could set off a chain reaction leading to a worse outcome overall. Of us all, I think perhaps only poor Konrad knew, for he too had the power to see the future. The way the Emperor sort of had to notice Guilliman first, the way you might take a second to notice an ant crawling on you. Yes, last crusaders from destroyed Cadia assisted Guilliman when he woke up. Later, on the way to Terra with Guilliman, they all died fighting hordes of khorne daemons, with Amalrich (he is emperor's champion and marshall, not castellan) saving Guilliman from Skarbrand. Like the other Primarchs, Roboute Guilliman was one of twenty genetically engineered “sons” of the Emperor of Mankind. Even with all the work he managed to do, he'd be deemed another horus by all those who believe in the Emperor as a God and it'll be a civil war the imperium can't afford. To Guilliman, the dire state of the Imperium was a horrifying surprise. Then calls them over for negotiations, they seem him and can't believe it. ‘Does He not speak to you?’ The unbearable radiance enfolded Guilliman, so glaring Mortarion threw up his hands. The conversation with Guilliman after he returned is Roboute talking to a semi-ascended deity whose mind and soul are fractured beyond belief. And that for me makes him a candidate for emperor. Guilliman twists and punches his head off. Big E does a little trolling. But lets face it, if Horus wanted to, he could kill his 3 brothers in mere seconds. Or maybe the Emperor was lying for some reason only he could understand. The heat of anger coming off him beat at Mathieu. When the blade had been presented to Guilliman by the captain-general of the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor’s fall, it had somehow fitted his primarch’s stature. That Guilliman was contemplating this during the Great Crusade means that it probably crossed the Emperor's mind too.